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Calling Jeff, Mulch master
Anyway I was just worried it might rot some roots if I leave it, but I would like to leave it if I can : )
Tom how are those Mangos going?
Jason
The following thread was started by Jason on March 20, 2001 at 5:46 pm PST
Jason....
I leave the mulch on through the winter. It evens out soil temps as well as improves soil stucture.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on March 20, 2001 at 8:49 pm PST.
Mango seeds
They all came up with multiple shoots. They are inside under fluorescent light right now, getting ready to transplant outside in small pots. The key is not to let the sun burn them.
I'm going to try and separate some of them. If that doen't work out I'll just keep one shoot from each of the other two seeds and cut the weaker shoots of so I won't disturb the ones I want to keep.
I'm babying these things like nothing else I've ever grown. If these things crash, I'll be very disappointed.
Thanks again, this is exciting.
The above followup was added by Tom on March 21, 2001 at 11:26 am PST.
Mango
Good one Tom : ) pretty amazing they grew so well considering I couldn't get all the seeds at once because they kept selling them all! ahh :0 so I had them in the fridge for awhile untill I hunted down more or them.
Outside in the sun is bad news for little mangos, I've transplanted them before, if you wait untill they are about 10cm high they will have allready sperated from the seed and if you put them back in the same kind of soil they wont even know they have moved. It's the strongest one that's not the clone isn't it? or is it the one from the bottom of the seed? that's allways been a mystery to me.
I'm trying to find a Keitt mango for sale now so I can get a cold proof Mango like Jeff : )
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 21, 2001 at 3:18 pm PST.
Mango Stuff
Jason...
I don't know if this trait is unique to " Keitt Mangoes or not, but my Mango actually started its spring growth flush in late Jan. I checked the soil temp at the time and it was only 8c (46f) at 4 inches. As for air temps... our daytime high temps were averaging only 12c ( 54f) and our low were averaging only 4c. Now this is a cool weather Mango!
Right now the Mango is in a full flower flush! I'll know in a month or so if the fruit will make it!
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on March 21, 2001 at 5:37 pm PST.
Mangos
Jeff this is all total speculation but : ) I think the Keitt mango monoembryonic and of the Indian race and Indians seem to think Mangos can grow in cooler places no problem but most of the varieties we have in Australia come from the tropics like the Philipines and are polyembryonic where I guess they have evolved into a more topical plant then they really are.
So if I grow a Keitt mango from seed it wont be indentical to the famous Jeff mango but I mean the worst case is that it had one parent that was a R2E2 or a Kensington pride so it's still going to be pretty good in cold weather being half Keitt : ). Maybe it might be cold proof with 1kg fruit like R2E2 : ), I'll grow one and see what happens as soon as I can find a fruit. Then again even my Kensington pride has been planted one year now and just got stronger and stronger this summer sure it's still a weak plant but it's only improving
Keitt
http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/dpinotes/hortic/tropfruit/h00007.html
Kensington Pride
http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/dpinotes/hortic/tropfruit/h00006.html
R2E2
http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/dpinotes/hortic/tropfruit/h00004.html
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 21, 2001 at 9:10 pm PST.
Variety Jeff
Jeff if none of us ever manage to grow a mango as well as you, you better get your plant tissue cultured : )
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 21, 2001 at 9:25 pm PST.
I've got 2 Keitt seeds !
They had them at the fruit shop today : )
Just now I sliced off a piece and and and? I have something to say, the only mango varietys I've ever tasted before are Kensington pride and R2E2, I've read before that Kensington pride is a very good mango but I thought nah it can't be as good as the overseas varieties and that it was just your average mango and R2E2 was something just a bit special, I guess most people know R2E2 as the biggest mango but it's also better tasting then Kensington pride.
Well the point is Keitt doesn't taste even half no not even one third as good as Kensington pride, Florida needs to grow these two Australian varieties quick fast! : ). I think I've just learned what this "turpintine" taste some mangos have is all about.
But anyway I better go and finish eating these Keitt's so I can see if they will grow in the cold, the good thing about Keitt is that it's now almost April and the other mangos have been finished for months
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 21, 2001 at 11:24 pm PST.
Was it a Keitt?
Jason...
If it was a real Keitt, the skin would be nearly all green, with just a hint of yellow and perhaps a slight red blush.
The Keitt I tasted had no turpentine flavor at all...It was more of a coconut-peach taste. Also , I have never tasted a Florida grown-Keitt. All I buy comes Sunworld's commercial Mango grove near Palm Springs. The hot summers and cooler winters may do something for the taste?
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on March 22, 2001 at 0:27 am PST.
yep
Yeah Jeff it was green with a little yellow and red and about 500? grams in weight definatly a Keitt, I guess in hindsight it was not that bad but it wasn't what I know as a Mango that's for sure, this wouldn't rate better then a Apricot or a Peach when normally Mangos are far beyond those fruits in taste :) bleeeeer I just ate the other one to make sure I wasn't imagining it, definatly bad mangos ak maybe they were over ripe. Northern N.S.W and Queensland should still be really warm this time of year so it can't be lack of heat.
Jeff I didn't know there were commercial Mangos in California? The warmest spot in California is something like Sydney/Adelaide/Perth right?. I'm still wondering why they don't grow Cherimoyas in the Sydney area
Anyway I'll just hope if the seeds make some mature Mango trees for me they will make a nicer fruit then I got today. Perhaps Ben can enlighten me on what each variety is supposed to taste like after his recent Mango feast : )
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 22, 2001 at 2:25 am PST.
Mango clone
Jason,
I hear the stongest shoot is safe to be a clone. The hybrid shoot is usually suppressed and a lot of time dies, so all the rest of the shoots would be clones.
Also, if the shoot comes from one of the folds, (not from the top near the stem end) it is assured to be a clone.
The above followup was added by Tom on March 22, 2001 at 12:13 am PST.
Commerial Mangoes in CA
Jason...
It blew me away as well! I found out about 10 years ago that they had a couple of hundred acres growing in the desert east of Los Angeles...I believe near the town Palm springs.
As far as Ca/Au climate comparisions...Along the coast, you are right. But well you go inland ...It can be much hotter.
Palm springs' average high during the summer is around 44c! In the foothills surrounding Palms Springs as well as the Salton Sea area, The desert has quite a few frost free areas. This is where they are grown.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on March 22, 2001 at 2:25 pm PST.
Indian mangos
I just saw a response by a CRFG specialist to a question regarding growing mangos in a cool climate. I think it might have been one of the old issues they had for free a the Monterey Chapter scion exchange. I think it might have been a year old or so.
Apparently mango leaves are needed for certain religious ceremonies and have been planted in villages throughout India, ranging up into the mountains. The specialist opined that there were undoubtedly many very cold hardy clones that had been developed over the years, but that fruit quality might be suspect in most of them, since the leaves are all that are utilized.
I will have to post more on this when I get to work tomorrow. The article is sitting open on my desk.
Hey, this is the Internet! Should be no problem having some Indian contact speed some full-flavored, perfectly cold hardy seed to us right away, right???
-Luen
The above followup was added by luen on March 22, 2001 at 7:46 pm PST.
mango flavours (and warning to Tom)
Jason,
Bowen/kensington (same thing?) taste great, I personally don't think R2E2 is as good, although the flesh texture and qualiy is superior. The old 'common' mango tastes fine too, but the fibers are a hassle.
I colected a whole heap of Kensington Pride seed, but NZ quarantine destroyed them at Auckland airport. Apparantely there are three nasty mango diseases in Australia whihc we dont want in NZ, so every fruit/seed that comes in has to have a phytosanitary certificate and an additional declaration that the trees have been examined and found totally disease- and virus- free etc etc etc... Tom, if you have Australian sourced mango seed, you may have imported more than you anticipated!
All the mangoes we can buy in this country come from Phillipines, and have almost no ftaste. Varieities are presumably tropical selections too... not much chance of success in NZ. I'm hoping to find some Australian-sourced fruit here one day, it'd be worth building a hot house specially for mangoes!
There are some mangoed in NZ, one old tree in Auckland has been fruiting sporadically for 50 years. But NZ is definetly marginal for fruit quality, and most people who want these fruit end up with some kind of hothouse for success. I planted 10 seedlings last year, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
btw, Jason, saw mangoes growing at Kingaroy, -6C every year,... they can't be too cold-tender!
The above followup was added by Ben on March 23, 2001 at 1:02 pm PST.
Mango warning
Ben,
Thanks for the warning, but if the seeds don't have weevils (and they didn't) I think I'm OK.
Where's Kingaroy, how big were the trees, tell us more.
The above followup was added by Tom on March 23, 2001 at 3:20 pm PST.
Mango
Yeah Kingaroy gets -6c a girl I know planted some a couple of years ago, they are still alive now but I think the frosts for some reason in Australia arn't as harsh as they are in the states at the same temps she also has pinapples outside in the garden and bananas. At the same time she has ice sheets on the window of her car in the morning so how do you figure that out?
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 23, 2001 at 4:43 pm PST.
Kingaroy has Mangoes?
I checked on the climate stats for Kingaroy, Queensland. They do indeed get cold! Over 15 days a year it drops below freezing. That is more than at my house in Modesto. I rarely get more than 6! ( This year was just one!)
I would be surprized to find a mango who's leaves don't freeze at temps below -2c. Mine froze badly one time when we hit -3c..It barely survived.
Kingaroy has had an all time record low of 19f
Average Number of Days Below 32F/0C
YEAR Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Oct. Nov.
Days 15.1 0.7 2.8 7.3 3.8 0.5 0.1
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on March 23, 2001 at 9:46 pm PST.
Yep
Go figure : ) her Custard apple died and Avocados too but not the Mangos, she does live on land that is covered in forest they just clear a patch when they want to grow something so the mango is under gum tree canopy, Check out the climate averages for Toowoomba, avocado seedlings from peoples compost bin (I'd say mostly hass too) grow there without a care in the world untill they get chopped down and it gets past -4c, the short busts of morning cold in those sub tropical places don't seem to be much hassle.
Also Lismore. Kyogle, Casino all those places have big mature mango trees just ask Ben they are all over the place in Kyogle: ) and all those places can get -3c to -5c
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 24, 2001 at 4:57 am PST.
Kyogle
http://www.kyogleweb.com.au/flood/flood_files/Dcp00861.jpg
Somewhere in this picture are mangos, on that hill in the background I saw them on there : )
and whats this?
http://www.kyogleweb.com.au/flood/flood_files/Dcp00853.jpg
Looks like some old Bunya pine? or hoop pine? : )
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 24, 2001 at 5:20 am PST.
Flood?
Nice pics...I couldn't reconize any Mangoes...
But do you call that a Flood?... That looks more like a puddle! Modesto floods worse every time an inch of rain falls! You see, runoff from the streets goes into a dry well that is suppose keep the streets dry...It don't the streets remain flooded for several days! ...I think Modesto is only city in CA that does street damage that way!
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on March 24, 2001 at 10:30 am PST.
Floods
Yeah Jeff considering the bridge near that petrol station has a river 15-20 meters deep? under it and it reached the road, I call it a pretty good flood : ) almost all northern n.s.w and south east queensland were underwater
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 24, 2001 at 3:27 pm PST.
cold
mangoes do fine in cold-winter subtropical areas once they get a little size, couple of years protection and they'll survive anything.
jason, went to Kyogle to find your cold-hardy papaya, I gave up when I saw a coconut palm growing happily... it can't get too cold!
The above followup was added by Ben on March 24, 2001 at 7:11 pm PST.
wow
Ben I talked to some people in Kyogle that assured me it gets cold enough to freeze the garden hose solid, since when can coconuts handle that? since now :)?
Jason
The above followup was added by Jason on March 24, 2001 at 10:36 pm PST.
more for Tom
Hi Tom,
my mango seeds were totally clear of any insects at all. The problem was in virus's and internal/systemic problems; which can be passed on through the seed without any visible external symptoms. Most mango plantations in Australia have these problems, unless your seed came from AQUIS-certified export plantations, you will probably have imported unclean seed.
Jason, the coconut wasn't real old, but certainly had to have been there for at least 5-10 years. It was on a slightly raised location, but not more than a couple of metres. And visiting Kyogle during a rainstorm, humidity around 100% and 30c air temp, it was kind of hard to imagine it ever getting cold.
The above followup was added by Ben on March 25, 2001 at 12:39 am PST.
Thanks Ben
Now I won't give any away.
I'll see what happens. If they are diseased I'll destroy them. There are no mangoes growing nearby probably for miles, so I don't think I will contaminate anybody else but myself.
I'll watch them closely, since I don't want to be like the guy who brought in the Africanized bees to So. America.
The above followup was added by Tom on March 26, 2001 at 2:17 pm PST.
Irwin, Sensation, Brooks are more cold
Irwin, Sensation, Brooks are more cold tolerant than the others. try these. protect from frost for first 3 years by either insulating the trunk, or plastic wrap the tree. as for r2e2, most people i know have eaten one and vowed never again. i have to agree, its not a mango, its a little(1kg ) yellow terd that grows on something that looks like a mango tree. just bloody awful.
The above followup was added by mal on February 15, 2005 at 5:43 am PST.
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