Jeff how did your Dypsis Lutescens do this winter? Pics?
I have a Dypsis Lutescens so am thinking of putting it in ground in Corte Madera next time I go down there. Anyway - Modesto seems a lot colder than I thought since you guys I saw had weeks in the 40's and Corte Madera never had a low below 50 F - but there were a few light frosts this winter. Anyway - what woudl you say? Do you have any photos of yours - since i remember they were nice looking?
The following thread was started by kyle on February 12, 2005 at 5:28 pm PST
I have read that this palm is hardy in certain areas around the Bay Area as long as the temp. stays above 35 and it gets full sun or partial sun, particularly the warming morning sun after those cold clear nites we can get here in winter. Corte Madera may not be a good idea, unless your spot is at elevation and not in a winter-dark valley. It apparently can handle a few light frosts (36-37ish) but might crump out with repeated frosts. I know it grows fairly rapidly if given enough water (it lives near rivers in natural habitat), so it might bounce back quickly in warm weather.
Carlo
The above followup was added by Carlo Vitale on February 12, 2005 at 7:13 pm PST.
I live on the Bay in Corte Madera so Mount Tam does not block the sun that much since we are farther away from it and Ring Mountain is farther away too.
The above followup was added by kyle on February 12, 2005 at 7:39 pm PST.
Kyle,
I'd recommend to try Dypsis Baronii as this has done wonderfully outdoors/in ground the last two winters and is now 6' tall, clumps nicely and remains really lush looking - even in the middle of winter. My experience with lutescens was one which I will not attempt a second time.
The above followup was added by JeffEastBay on February 13, 2005 at 8:12 pm PST.
Kyle,
Whats left of my Golden cane palms is doing ok. One morning below 32f is hard on them.
It has proved to be the most frost sensitive palm that I have tried... Even my Fox Tails are proving hardier.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 14, 2005 at 3:47 am PST.
I agree with Eastbay Jeff,
Plant a Dypsis Baronii... Both of mine are 5 years old and doing fine in a lightly shaded area. One is the clumping form and the other is the single cane form... both look great right now and have never gotton any damage.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 14, 2005 at 9:11 am PST.
I already have a Dypsis Lutescens so its gonna go outside. Anyway - did yours defoliate? DO you know about Dypsis onilahnesis?
The above followup was added by kyle on February 14, 2005 at 5:25 pm PST.
Kyle,
The dieback on the golden cane was so great last winter, that the canes are small enough to be protected by the surrounding plants... so this winter no they didn't defoliate.
I just got a 5 gal d. onilahensis..last fall, it will go in ground this spring.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 14, 2005 at 10:28 pm PST.
Because the winters are a little more mild - but thesumemrs are a little cooler. How fast does yours grow?
The above followup was added by kyle on February 14, 2005 at 11:00 pm PST.
Kyle... Unless the area you are talking about are frost free, with warm winters.... they will decline and die.... just like all of mine have done.... even after a mild winter they look like crap.
If they did well in the bay area, then you would see them planted all over San Francisco... guz the city rarely ever sees a frost, ...
but nooo...
Even in So. Cal, you rarely see them planted far away from the coast.... they just don't do well.
Stick with Dypsis Baronii... I think it will do well there.
Jeff.
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 16, 2005 at 8:38 pm PST.
I thought you said yours surived. In winter, Corte Madera is considerably warmer than Modesto - so if it makes it there then it should make it in Corte Madera because the sumemrs aren't that mild. I actually saw one Dypsis Lutescens in San Francisco by ahosue by Golden Gate Park (As I said in another post) but they had veery thin stems - but its always cold there.
The above followup was added by Kyle on February 17, 2005 at 3:41 pm PST.
Corte Madera isn't that much warmer than Modesto in Mid winter.
For what it is worth, we are still in winter and here in the valley , the average temps are warmer than anywhere in the bay area... we even have about 2 degrees on Santa cruz, which is the warmest anywhere in northern Ca.... in mid winter.
My Dypsis Luticiens did survive this winter... barely. It looks ugly, and will barely grow mid summer.
My guess is that you plant one in Corde Madera... it will suffer there as well.
Sorry
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 17, 2005 at 10:54 pm PST.
I know www.weather.com is not always right..... Anyway, you got frost though and below freezing temps, Corte Madera is right on the bay and does not get damaging temperatures as often as you guys do, and also you guys had those weeks or days in the mid 40's, but I don't know how common those are:
The above followup was added by kyle on February 17, 2005 at 11:11 pm PST.
Kyle...
I checked the NWS stats... We are warmer every month except Dec/Jan and even then we are pretty close.
Corte Madera even had to go through that ugly 2 week period in mid Jan where the temps failed to exceed 49f... just like us.
Trust me... I've been through warm winters and cold winters... I have planted no less than 10 different sized Dypsis Lutescens. They look terrible after the mild winters and die in the cold ones. They don't recover from either..
1 to2 degrees warmer in the winter will not make a difference....
But hey.... don't believe me... go ahead and plant one, they sell them at most Walmarts and Orchard supply's.... as house plants....
Anyway...post a picture from time to time to let use know how they are doing.
If I took everyones word every time someone said that I would fail... I wouldn't grow 98% of the stuff that I do!
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 17, 2005 at 11:45 pm PST.
Here is what is left of my palm.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 19, 2005 at 11:09 am PST.
Note the the Heliconia next to the palm... it did great this past winter.... no damage.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 19, 2005 at 11:12 am PST.
And right next to it is a Dypsis Baronii.... No damage and about the same age...
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 19, 2005 at 11:14 am PST.
That wouolod recover over the summer right? I have seen worse... Great pics!
Do you know if your Baronii is a clustering kind? But hasn't clustered yet? It looks very thin for being one, and the space rings around the trunk look very far apart for it to be growing in a bad environment.
I have a Dypsis lutescens already though..... so its going to go outside. I hope mine surives!
The above followup was added by kyle on February 19, 2005 at 2:53 pm PST.
Kyle... My Baronii is very healthy... Its the single trunk form. I have an older clumping form as well... it has red crownshfts.
I'll post a pic soon.
As far as the d.Dypsis lutescens, it looks like its a goner.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 19, 2005 at 9:41 pm PST.
Kyle, Wide even spaces on the trunk rings indicate healthy growth.
If I could find more of these I would buy them... they are great... easy growing palms... next to my d.decipiens... its my favorite.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 19, 2005 at 9:45 pm PST.
I meant it doesn't look like a Dypsis baronii and maybe a different Dypsis.
The above followup was added by kyle on February 20, 2005 at 3:17 pm PST.
But the plant originates from a very reliable person.
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 21, 2005 at 8:36 am PST.
Maybe the seeds he got had a few of another Dypsis species mixed in with it.
The above followup was added by kyle on February 21, 2005 at 10:49 am PST.
He was the Prez of the IPS !
But it could happen....
Jeff
The above followup was added by Jeff on February 21, 2005 at 9:11 pm PST.