Bryce - Trachelospermum jasminoides
The following thread was started by Vlad Pomajzl, Saltspring on June 14, 2009 at 8:16 am PST
It is in an area with Chamaerops and Fremondodendron. The Chammy had a spear pull on the main stem (looks like it is now recovewring) and Fremontodendron had to be replaced.
The above followup was added by Vlad Pomajzl, Saltspring on June 14, 2009 at 8:19 am PST.
Anybody tried Trachelospermum asiaticum? It is much more hardy and a more vigorous grower than T. jasminoides but it has never bloomed for me. It used to cover a large area until I decided to make some changes there and pulled it out keeping just a few rooted pieces.
The above followup was added by Vlad Pomajzl, Saltspring on June 14, 2009 at 8:20 am PST.
I tried this plant several times when I lived on the coast of Washington State, where summer temperatures rarely get above 65º F, and it didn't do well. Hardly growing at all, and when we had Arctic outbreaks it would barely survive with a few green leaves hanging on to mostly bare stems, but would not recover enough over the summer to survive the next winter, even if that winter was mild. Now that I live in interior Western Washington where summer temperatures are regularly in the seventies and eighties, I haven't grown it, maybe because of my bad experience on the coast.
What's your secret Vlad?
The above followup was added by issaquah John on June 14, 2009 at 8:40 am PST.
I had the same experience with T. asiaticum Vlad. I lost my T. jasminoides this winter. It was in a large pot and it looked like it had some life for the longest time, but I'm pretty sure it's dead now unless it comes back from the roots, which is doubtful. I have a replacement plant, but have to decide where to put it - in the ground for sure this time though.
The above followup was added by Linda Denman Island, BC 8b on June 14, 2009 at 8:58 am PST.
Vlad- Do you get enough flowers to get the wonderful scent of the jasmine? I was thinking of trying one ( jasminoides) . My neighbor has a large one that did great for several years until it got blasted this past winter. It is slowly recovering though.
The above followup was added by Brian, Maple Valley, WA on June 14, 2009 at 9:35 am PST.
wow, I have only lived in the north a year, but I have never heard anyone call star jasmine slow. I guess I am just so used to seeing it grow like a weed...and the funny thing is, the nursieries around my part rarely carry such a ubiquitous plant, most likely because the fact that it grow so slow in the cool weather.
So the only thing I could recommend for this plant in the foggy cool parts of the PNW is well drained soil southern southern exposure and some decent organic type 2-4-1 fish emulsion to get the blooms going.
I noticed that in the houston and las vegas area it would leaf burn at around 25 and defoliate a bit around 20. I had one in houston where we had two weeks of some crazy weather where the nights were well below freezing and the days were cold and wet, I lost half the leaves, but the next month or two when it warmed back up, it just took off.
I think heat it the real key as the pictures show these right up against a dark colored structure which probably reflects back a bit of warmth.
The above followup was added by james on June 14, 2009 at 9:41 am PST.
The plant in the pic was a rooted twig I took from a larger plant used as ground cover at my other place I had in Nanaimo. Nanaimo is at mid-Vancouver Island on the east side and it is warmer in the summer than areas either south or north of Nanaimo or Gulf Islands. So it thrived in the summer and being a ground cover it was burried under the snow during cold spells which protected it from frost damage. This one is up on the trellis and under an overhang so I take it off in the winter, coil it on the ground and cover it if it gets extremely cold. However, I did a sloppy job last winter and the plants in this area were only partially covered with tarp and damaged. Other than that Jasmine has bloomed here every year since I planted it several years ago and the flowers are powefully fragrant. Regarding Trachelospermum asiaticum I believe it needs longer periods of high temps than we can expect on the islands in oredr to bloom. Perhaps in Olympia or areas away from coast in Oregon?
The above followup was added by Vlad Pomajzl, Saltspring on June 14, 2009 at 11:52 am PST.
I've grown T. jasminoides for three years here. I have three nursery bought plants and yesterday I planted two more rooted cuttings (easy to propagate).
The established plants all started to flower this week. They are set to keep flowering profusely. They were protected with frost cloth during the cold spell. The one on a trellis lost all shoots that peeked from under the cloth, otherwise it is fine with some leaf replacement. The big free-growing one under Little Gem Magnolia is nearly unharmed,. The smaller one I planted last fall and then transplanted again this spring gradually replaced all of its leaves but looks fine now and beginning to flower.
I want to try T. asiaticum when I find some space. It is supposed to be significantly hardier and just as fragrant, but IMHO the flowers are not as pretty. The foliage is not as shiny, but some varieties are variegated or otherwise interesting. Cistus Nursery has a nice selection of about half a dozen varieties.
It is said that unlike T. jasminoides, T. asiaticum must grow up (on a trellis) in order to flower, it will only grow foliage as a groundcover.
There is a variety of T. jasminoides 'Madison' that is supposed to be hardier than the regular form. It is from Monrovia and a local nursery (Farmington Gardens) carries it sometimes. I want to try it eventually.
The above followup was added by Alex, Portland-Hillsboro, Oregon (z8b) on June 14, 2009 at 1:09 pm PST.
Kooger has Trachelospermum jasminoides growing on the east facing fence. and it's in part shade with tons of flower just about to open. Once they start to grow up, they really take off. Hummers like them also, and the fragrance is something else.
The above followup was added by Roger on June 14, 2009 at 2:00 pm PST.
Yeah, been busy with soccer, work, church, playing in the sun and weekend 'er traveling. Hope you're doing good.
Anyhow, your Jasmine looks WAAAYYYYYYY better than mine. You were right, mine will live but it sustained serious damage and is now begining to recover. It lost 2/3 of its wood and is growing new branches. There's not too many spots where new growth is coming from the old wood. This year will be a rebuild year for it and I dont expect it to put on a super show. Here's a couple pictures:
The above followup was added by BryceOlyWa on June 14, 2009 at 5:20 pm PST.
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The above followup was added by BryceOlyWa on June 14, 2009 at 5:21 pm PST.
These are few and far between on this puppy.
The above followup was added by BryceOlyWa on June 14, 2009 at 5:22 pm PST.
Soccer, eh? It's all behind me with the youngest being 20 and the oldest now lending me money to buy more palms, lol.
That Jasmine looks better than I thought. And it will bloom. Hopefully next winter will be kinder to our plants but if not, try to cover it with some cloth on the coldest days. Should be much larger next year.
Alex that's an interesting idea to train T. asiaticum to grow up in order to force to bloom. I will give it a try as soon as I find some support. There is only so much room on my house, lol.
The above followup was added by Vlad Pomajzl, Saltspring on June 14, 2009 at 6:46 pm PST.
Believe it or not, I did cover that plant with some towels and then a BBQ cover over that during all that crazy snow and it still got smoked. Oh well, by next winter it'll have been in the ground for a year so it will have a better chance.
Anyhow, I love soccer. It's was part of my life for a very long time competitvly and its now becoming part of my son's life at 5 years old. I just hope he'll continue to play and fine enjoyment in doing so. Man I loved that game. As a kid I looked forward to practice even let alone games. Sounds like it was a large part of your life too. With the Seattle Sonics now gone and the Seattle Sounders soccer team doing well, they've really picked up a lot of fans and the sport is quickily gaining momentum regionally. I can remember heading up to Canada to play some exhibition games and then the Canadian team heading down here to play them. Unfortunaltey I can also remember them beating us too.
The above followup was added by Bryce on June 15, 2009 at 11:34 pm PST.